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	<title>Comments on: Why Jajah. Rebtel, and Others Like Them Will Fail</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Silvey</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-26597</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Silvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebtel Rocks. I am not affiliated with the company but can tell you it's the ONLY service that works for me. I live in Australia, work in London and spent protracted time in California. I have three pay as you go SIM cards - one on Vodafone UK, one on Vodafone AU and one on ATTW US. My contacts can call me on one exclusive number and it comes thru to the phone I have designated as my chosen primary at that time - although all my phones (including my Australian Land Line and my UK Office Number - are all designated on the account.

What is REALLY neat about Rebtel is that when I am in the US, my contacts all have US local numbers to dial. When I am in the UK, I have UK numbers, and when in Australia, I have numbers specific to the State that I am in! Cool. I get the cheapest access numbers at any time automatically changing based on the location/primary phone I am using.

I am also a Skype2Go user, have used Gizmo and others, but Rebtel has it sorted. So simple, so flexible and so easy to manage.

So, that leaves me with the Voicemail problem. So i've solved this with a service from a small company in Australia called Immedian and their iVMS service. Very neat. I divert my voicemail in each country to the iVMS number, and my voicemails are delivered to me via MMS - directly to my phone, on my phone, so no need to dial to listen. I can listen to them any time, as many times as I like. iVMS is like Apple's iPhone voicemail, but works on ANY PHONE, ANYWHERE. And if I want, I can also access my voicemails over the web on my personal iVMS web page. I can even change the avatar of specific contacts!

Traveling like I do, it's been difficult to find a single service that reduces my costs - this combined solution is simply effective, easy, and makes me very efficient.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebtel Rocks. I am not affiliated with the company but can tell you it&#8217;s the ONLY service that works for me. I live in Australia, work in London and spent protracted time in California. I have three pay as you go SIM cards - one on Vodafone UK, one on Vodafone AU and one on ATTW US. My contacts can call me on one exclusive number and it comes thru to the phone I have designated as my chosen primary at that time - although all my phones (including my Australian Land Line and my UK Office Number - are all designated on the account.</p>
<p>What is REALLY neat about Rebtel is that when I am in the US, my contacts all have US local numbers to dial. When I am in the UK, I have UK numbers, and when in Australia, I have numbers specific to the State that I am in! Cool. I get the cheapest access numbers at any time automatically changing based on the location/primary phone I am using.</p>
<p>I am also a Skype2Go user, have used Gizmo and others, but Rebtel has it sorted. So simple, so flexible and so easy to manage.</p>
<p>So, that leaves me with the Voicemail problem. So i&#8217;ve solved this with a service from a small company in Australia called Immedian and their iVMS service. Very neat. I divert my voicemail in each country to the iVMS number, and my voicemails are delivered to me via MMS - directly to my phone, on my phone, so no need to dial to listen. I can listen to them any time, as many times as I like. iVMS is like Apple&#8217;s iPhone voicemail, but works on ANY PHONE, ANYWHERE. And if I want, I can also access my voicemails over the web on my personal iVMS web page. I can even change the avatar of specific contacts!</p>
<p>Traveling like I do, it&#8217;s been difficult to find a single service that reduces my costs - this combined solution is simply effective, easy, and makes me very efficient.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: JeanPierre</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-26430</link>
		<dc:creator>JeanPierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found rebtel, and I love it. Most of my friends love it.I met pinplan before.But it was trash.Now i think rebtel and jajah is already the present calling technology.adios high cost calling card.Viva rectel.Viva jajah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found rebtel, and I love it. Most of my friends love it.I met pinplan before.But it was trash.Now i think rebtel and jajah is already the present calling technology.adios high cost calling card.Viva rectel.Viva jajah.</p>
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		<title>By: Ankit</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-26278</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again a great post hats off !!</description>
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		<title>By: chiz</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-25733</link>
		<dc:creator>chiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.

"At least with Softphones like Gizmo Project or Skype, or even a service like Vonage, there isn't a substantial change in how you dial your phone numbers. Of course, I've heard numerous complaints from customers of Vonage-like services about things like 7 and 10 digit dialing, so even they aren't perfect."

I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.</p>
<p>&#8220;At least with Softphones like Gizmo Project or Skype, or even a service like Vonage, there isn&#8217;t a substantial change in how you dial your phone numbers. Of course, I&#8217;ve heard numerous complaints from customers of Vonage-like services about things like 7 and 10 digit dialing, so even they aren&#8217;t perfect.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebtel, part 2 &#124; LucaFiligheddu.com</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-25692</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebtel, part 2 &#124; LucaFiligheddu.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] are some interesting comments by Phoneboy, Ken and Ted: Phoneboy:Now I should say up-front that both Rebtel and Jajah may, in fact, be [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-25220</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are crazy.  if it saves you 30 cents a minute why not look through your address book.  better yet after you program the names remember their speed dial number.  you seem to be quite lazy.  however, i think it is amazing that you can remember all your phone numbers, but i still think you are stupid if you say saving money isnt worth the extra 2 seconds it takes to make this international call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are crazy.  if it saves you 30 cents a minute why not look through your address book.  better yet after you program the names remember their speed dial number.  you seem to be quite lazy.  however, i think it is amazing that you can remember all your phone numbers, but i still think you are stupid if you say saving money isnt worth the extra 2 seconds it takes to make this international call.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-24925</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I call to the UK from my Verizon cell it costs $1.20/min, but I can use Rebtel to make the same call for 2 cents/min. That's sufficient motivation for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I call to the UK from my Verizon cell it costs $1.20/min, but I can use Rebtel to make the same call for 2 cents/min. That&#8217;s sufficient motivation for me.</p>
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		<title>By: VoIP2.0</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-23161</link>
		<dc:creator>VoIP2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point here, and after familiarizing myself with all the various companies, I think jaxtr has it figured out.  Sure, they let you make free international calls, but they also provide a novel solution for anyone wishing to recieve calls from online contacts, but wishes to keep their personal telephone number private.  

I post my jaxtr widget on my website and anyone who visits it has a way to easily call me...and nobody ever has to know my phone number. If I decide I dont want to hear from someone after they call me once, I can block them from ever getting through again.

As social networking becomes more and more prevalent and people are looking to add synchronous communication to preexisting wall posts/email messages/etc--jaxtr will flourish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point here, and after familiarizing myself with all the various companies, I think jaxtr has it figured out.  Sure, they let you make free international calls, but they also provide a novel solution for anyone wishing to recieve calls from online contacts, but wishes to keep their personal telephone number private.  </p>
<p>I post my jaxtr widget on my website and anyone who visits it has a way to easily call me&#8230;and nobody ever has to know my phone number. If I decide I dont want to hear from someone after they call me once, I can block them from ever getting through again.</p>
<p>As social networking becomes more and more prevalent and people are looking to add synchronous communication to preexisting wall posts/email messages/etc&#8211;jaxtr will flourish.</p>
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		<title>By: baxidecat</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-19692</link>
		<dc:creator>baxidecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess there is one more problem with these Rebtel and Jajah guys. They all tend to believe they have found the "one-and-only" recipe that works best for everyone. I think people should have a choice based on their needs and existing "infrastructure". I read about Manifone, and what they do is that they give you a set of local "alias" numbers that you can assign to your international contacts. Then when you call these numbers you can have the call go through their voip, another voip, or a landline of yours. It's like a least-cost dial solution, made simple by the fact that it's a one-step dial. I prefer this over "visit-a-website-and-fillout-a-form-to-make-a-call" solutions :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess there is one more problem with these Rebtel and Jajah guys. They all tend to believe they have found the &#8220;one-and-only&#8221; recipe that works best for everyone. I think people should have a choice based on their needs and existing &#8220;infrastructure&#8221;. I read about Manifone, and what they do is that they give you a set of local &#8220;alias&#8221; numbers that you can assign to your international contacts. Then when you call these numbers you can have the call go through their voip, another voip, or a landline of yours. It&#8217;s like a least-cost dial solution, made simple by the fact that it&#8217;s a one-step dial. I prefer this over &#8220;visit-a-website-and-fillout-a-form-to-make-a-call&#8221; solutions <img src='http://phoneboy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Azer</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-18251</link>
		<dc:creator>Azer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 08:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran Truphone on my N95 = failure to work software installed but then seemed not to work properly, made one call OK then tried to go again to a new number and the software tried to install again - I am a 27 year old techno  'savvy' type of guy but after 3 attempts I GAVE UP  - Personally i prefer Rebtel's proposition of no downloads works on all handsets...etc

From what I have seen in the new voice 2.0 arena Rebtel's leverage of VOIP technology gets my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran Truphone on my N95 = failure to work software installed but then seemed not to work properly, made one call OK then tried to go again to a new number and the software tried to install again - I am a 27 year old techno  &#8217;savvy&#8217; type of guy but after 3 attempts I GAVE UP  - Personally i prefer Rebtel&#8217;s proposition of no downloads works on all handsets&#8230;etc</p>
<p>From what I have seen in the new voice 2.0 arena Rebtel&#8217;s leverage of VOIP technology gets my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: nicky</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-13690</link>
		<dc:creator>nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebtel is making things difficult for the user…in such a technosavy fast hectic lifestyle who has time to dial a different no. instead of  actual no..and I m using skype which doesn’t need all these hectic efforts to get a friend and also i  think the address book or the contacts are  very simple to understand and use in todays world...i prefer skype...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebtel is making things difficult for the user…in such a technosavy fast hectic lifestyle who has time to dial a different no. instead of  actual no..and I m using skype which doesn’t need all these hectic efforts to get a friend and also i  think the address book or the contacts are  very simple to understand and use in todays world&#8230;i prefer skype&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I'm not getting it ...&lt;br /&gt;Usual procedure: Select the contact in your cell phones addressbook and click the call key on your cell phone.
Result: International calls cost a fortune.

With &lt;a href="http://www.jajah.com/info/tools/mobile/"&gt;JAJAH Mobile&lt;/a&gt;: Select the contact in your cell phones addressbook and click the call key on your cell phone.
Result: Free or close to free international calls.

With &lt;a href="http://www.jajah.com/"&gt;JAJAH Web&lt;/a&gt;: Every phone number on any website or within Outlook or your computers addressbook becomes clickable. Click on the number you want call and your phone (landline or mobile) will ring INSTEAD of taking your phone typing in the number you want to call and hiting the call key.

What could be more convenient and less changing your habits?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m not getting it &#8230;<br />Usual procedure: Select the contact in your cell phones addressbook and click the call key on your cell phone.<br />
Result: International calls cost a fortune.</p>
<p>With <a href="http://www.jajah.com/info/tools/mobile/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.jajah.com');">JAJAH Mobile</a>: Select the contact in your cell phones addressbook and click the call key on your cell phone.<br />
Result: Free or close to free international calls.</p>
<p>With <a href="http://www.jajah.com/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.jajah.com');">JAJAH Web</a>: Every phone number on any website or within Outlook or your computers addressbook becomes clickable. Click on the number you want call and your phone (landline or mobile) will ring INSTEAD of taking your phone typing in the number you want to call and hiting the call key.</p>
<p>What could be more convenient and less changing your habits?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're missing the&lt;br /&gt;I think you're missing the point with Rebtel. Specially if you have a knack for rembering numbers. It is much easier to remember a local number - shorter, typically no area code needed, no country code...  That is even faster for me.

It's just a simple phone call. Now, if your friend hangs up and calls back also to a local number, it is one extra step, but the call gets even cheaper. I have some friends I call everyday. It is actually very simple to use. I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the<br />I think you&#8217;re missing the point with Rebtel. Specially if you have a knack for rembering numbers. It is much easier to remember a local number - shorter, typically no area code needed, no country code&#8230;  That is even faster for me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a simple phone call. Now, if your friend hangs up and calls back also to a local number, it is one extra step, but the call gets even cheaper. I have some friends I call everyday. It is actually very simple to use. I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: O'Reilly Emerging Telephony</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-20010</link>
		<dc:creator>O'Reilly Emerging Telephony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;many VoIP-related blogs about a few new ventures that are currently making headlines (Rebtel, Jahjah, Grand Central) and in some cases attracting attention at this year’s prestigious DEMO show. In general, I tend to agree with what I think Luca, Ken, Phoneboy, and Ted are saying about the value proposition that is being offered up by these new companies - none of them seem very compelling to me. (To be fair, some people who I respect a lot like Andy Abramson&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="class="technorati-balloon"  onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.technorati.com');"><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>many VoIP-related blogs about a few new ventures that are currently making headlines (Rebtel, Jahjah, Grand Central) and in some cases attracting attention at this year’s prestigious DEMO show. In general, I tend to agree with what I think Luca, Ken, Phoneboy, and Ted are saying about the value proposition that is being offered up by these new companies - none of them seem very compelling to me. (To be fair, some people who I respect a lot like Andy Abramson</p>
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		<title>By: VoIP para novatos</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/996/why_jajah__rebtel__and_others_like_them_will_fail#comment-20011</link>
		<dc:creator>VoIP para novatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; Interesante post en el Blog de PhoneBoy que analiza la viabilidad futura de estas compañías.    Artículo  aquí &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="class="technorati-balloon"  onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.technorati.com');"><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a> Interesante post en el Blog de PhoneBoy que analiza la viabilidad futura de estas compañías.    Artículo  aquí</p>
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