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	<title>Comments on: Value-Adds Won&#8217;t Save VoIP Providers</title>
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		<title>By: Symbian in Motion &#187; Quick Clicks #2</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-18288</link>
		<dc:creator>Symbian in Motion &#187; Quick Clicks #2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 15:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I tell you how much I&#8217;m loving GrandCentral? I first learned about it a while back on The PhoneBoy Blog and I haven&#8217;t looked back. I just wish they&#8217;d work out extensions and auto-scheduling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I tell you how much I&#8217;m loving GrandCentral? I first learned about it a while back on The PhoneBoy Blog and I haven&#8217;t looked back. I just wish they&#8217;d work out extensions and auto-scheduling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More on Value-Adds Not Saving VoIP Providers</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-3440</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Value-Adds Not Saving VoIP Providers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have to say, the comments and linkbacks I got on my Value-Adds Won’t Save VoIP Providers post all had some good stuff in it. But before I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have to say, the comments and linkbacks I got on my Value-Adds Won’t Save VoIP Providers post all had some good stuff in it. But before I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cerda</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-3391</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Cerda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dameon-You are an enlightened consumer since you have the benefit of understanding lots of under the hood interworkings. Your ask is ambitious, so therefore all those driving toward that end must take baby steps to get there. 

If hundreds of millions shared your view today, I would have built this. Instead, I elected to take baby steps toward this precise vision. The baby steps would need to take a different approach than had been done, and the baby steps would need to affect lifestyle. 

I did not elect to go the GC route, simply because that one-number value prop has been out there for like 10 years from companies like RingCentral. We've all seen how that movie plays out. GC is certainly better, and market timing is on their side. I'm sure they share this same vision however, and are taking the one-number approach as their baby step. TalkPlus may share the same vision, but are taking a mobile app approach with identity management. 

What I did do, was build Jangl. Jangl gives you an ID and people get #s to call you on thru that ID. You can then control who can/can't call you. It uses the same voice mail you have existing on your phone today, but masks your greeting to provide privacy. I've found that this baby step is excellent for online dating. My next baby steps are going to be compelling well beyond daters though.

-Jangl will very soon support SMS thru Jangl #s. It's working in a few areas already. 
-A single number will become an alias for a Jangl ID, for easier passing around.
-We'll let you send SMS as if it was from your Jangl #, from the web, e-mail, IM, etc - oh an from your phone
-There's a whole lot more I shouldn't get into here.

Sorry for the lengthy comment. I just wanted to tell you I'm working on what you're asking for!

-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dameon-You are an enlightened consumer since you have the benefit of understanding lots of under the hood interworkings. Your ask is ambitious, so therefore all those driving toward that end must take baby steps to get there. </p>
<p>If hundreds of millions shared your view today, I would have built this. Instead, I elected to take baby steps toward this precise vision. The baby steps would need to take a different approach than had been done, and the baby steps would need to affect lifestyle. </p>
<p>I did not elect to go the GC route, simply because that one-number value prop has been out there for like 10 years from companies like RingCentral. We&#8217;ve all seen how that movie plays out. GC is certainly better, and market timing is on their side. I&#8217;m sure they share this same vision however, and are taking the one-number approach as their baby step. TalkPlus may share the same vision, but are taking a mobile app approach with identity management. </p>
<p>What I did do, was build Jangl. Jangl gives you an ID and people get #s to call you on thru that ID. You can then control who can/can&#8217;t call you. It uses the same voice mail you have existing on your phone today, but masks your greeting to provide privacy. I&#8217;ve found that this baby step is excellent for online dating. My next baby steps are going to be compelling well beyond daters though.</p>
<p>-Jangl will very soon support SMS thru Jangl #s. It&#8217;s working in a few areas already.<br />
-A single number will become an alias for a Jangl ID, for easier passing around.<br />
-We&#8217;ll let you send SMS as if it was from your Jangl #, from the web, e-mail, IM, etc - oh an from your phone<br />
-There&#8217;s a whole lot more I shouldn&#8217;t get into here.</p>
<p>Sorry for the lengthy comment. I just wanted to tell you I&#8217;m working on what you&#8217;re asking for!</p>
<p>-</p>
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		<title>By: helloritesh</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-3390</link>
		<dc:creator>helloritesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear your pain. However, if you ask different users, you would get a different picture. One number, one identity creates spam issues that are difficult to stop. So there is a need for a disposable identity for temporary transactions, e.g. selling online, social networking, dating etc. I see some emerging companies in this space. Take a look at www.craigsnumber.com Having said that, one identity is a good idea. The way TalkPlus does it is totally different. Aswath posed a question earlier on this. The outgoing identity is not a home number but the TalkPlus number so there is no issue of your service provider agreeing to change the CID. TalkPlus will be the service provider. However, I don't like having a data plan and downloading/installing funky software on my mobile. I have been enough worried about downloads on my notebook. Do I need to worry about scam/virus/spam etc on my mobile phone now?
It never hurts to ask for more. Hey, we are consumers and as long as we have a need, there will be someone listening.
Have a good one.

Cheers!
Ritesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear your pain. However, if you ask different users, you would get a different picture. One number, one identity creates spam issues that are difficult to stop. So there is a need for a disposable identity for temporary transactions, e.g. selling online, social networking, dating etc. I see some emerging companies in this space. Take a look at <a href="http://www.craigsnumber.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.craigsnumber.com');">http://www.craigsnumber.com</a> Having said that, one identity is a good idea. The way TalkPlus does it is totally different. Aswath posed a question earlier on this. The outgoing identity is not a home number but the TalkPlus number so there is no issue of your service provider agreeing to change the CID. TalkPlus will be the service provider. However, I don&#8217;t like having a data plan and downloading/installing funky software on my mobile. I have been enough worried about downloads on my notebook. Do I need to worry about scam/virus/spam etc on my mobile phone now?<br />
It never hurts to ask for more. Hey, we are consumers and as long as we have a need, there will be someone listening.<br />
Have a good one.</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Ritesh</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Constantinescu</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-3378</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Constantinescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm waiting for the VoIP provider who can offer people unlimited mms and sms. Carriers charge way too much for these services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for the VoIP provider who can offer people unlimited mms and sms. Carriers charge way too much for these services.</p>
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		<title>By: Aswath</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-3368</link>
		<dc:creator>Aswath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 14:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand correctly, the second item you want from GrandCentral is the ability to display GC phone number even though you are calling from your home phone line, say. This is possible only if the service provider to your home phone line agrees to do this. It is not in the hands of GC. So I am not sure how TalkPlus does that, with or without software. I am aware of their "Mirror Numbers" service, but that is putting home phone number when one makes TP call and not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand correctly, the second item you want from GrandCentral is the ability to display GC phone number even though you are calling from your home phone line, say. This is possible only if the service provider to your home phone line agrees to do this. It is not in the hands of GC. So I am not sure how TalkPlus does that, with or without software. I am aware of their &#8220;Mirror Numbers&#8221; service, but that is putting home phone number when one makes TP call and not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason K</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-3356</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't GrandCentral allow you to use your GrandCentral number as your outgoing caller ID when you use their click to call(dialing from the website) feature from the web?

No software to load on your cellphone. Although you do need to be next to a computer with internet connection. Hmm... I wonder if I can click to call from my web enabled cell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t GrandCentral allow you to use your GrandCentral number as your outgoing caller ID when you use their click to call(dialing from the website) feature from the web?</p>
<p>No software to load on your cellphone. Although you do need to be next to a computer with internet connection. Hmm&#8230; I wonder if I can click to call from my web enabled cell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By:  Phone Reviews: Phone Reviews</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24403</link>
		<dc:creator> Phone Reviews: Phone Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By:  Mobile Reviews: Mobile Reviews</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24404</link>
		<dc:creator> Mobile Reviews: Mobile Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By:  Cellular Phones News, Reviews and more!: Cellular Phones News, Reviews and more!</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24405</link>
		<dc:creator> Cellular Phones News, Reviews and more!: Cellular Phones News, Reviews and more!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: All About Mobile Phones </title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24406</link>
		<dc:creator>All About Mobile Phones </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Personal digital assistants (PDAs) News and Reviews </title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24407</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal digital assistants (PDAs) News and Reviews </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By:  Pocket PCs &#124; Pocket PCs</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24408</link>
		<dc:creator> Pocket PCs &#124; Pocket PCs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cellular Phones For All </title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/1316/value-adds-wont-save-voip-providers#comment-24409</link>
		<dc:creator>Cellular Phones For All </dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Your Source for the Latest VoIP Happenings </title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Source for the Latest VoIP Happenings </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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